The “simply-noise” podcast is dedicated to telling stories about the world we live in.

Award-winning Ukrainian poets Boris and Ludmila Khersonsky talk to us from their dacha in Odessa, Ukraine. A week into the brutal, all-out Russian assault on their country, they talk about war, television, propaganda, the Holocaust, psychiatry, poetry, and using their own books to block out a window to make the dacha safer in case of bombs.